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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 0:02:16 GMT
Chaotic and i had a little bit of an encounter today. There was a person on the server named Bean BuritZ who was proppushing and attempting to propkill people. i spoke to him over my mic and asked him to stop as it was against the rules. He cussed at me and continued on with the activity. Once that happened i kicked him. Sadly i did not give a reason because i typed it then he tried to propkill someone i went to change it and accidently kicked him without a reason. I realize that was not what i should do and it was an accident. Then Chaotic teleported me to him and told me that because he is the administrator as of the time being i should not kick anyone without his ok. Which in a way sounds like telling me even as a mod i couldn't do anything with a super on unless they tell me to do it. This is obviously a wrong concept. He also referred to himself as a admin when he first teleported me which is wrong because he is actually only a T-vip and in no way an admin. I do not like when people refer to themselves as a higher rank than they are. It's like me saying i am the owner which i am not. He said according to behavioral he might as well be a admin and yet he is not. I would like this to be reviewed by the team and seen to try and figure out what the best solution is here. I believe that i did the right thing all the way till i kicked him and accidently did not put the reason. We may both be in the wrong but i would like this topic to be gone over. I would appreciate if Chaotic would post their side as well that way you can get both sides of the situation and not just what i say. This may be editted to add extra details into the situation. if the team members have any questions about the situation i would be happy to read them and answer to the best of my knowledge
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 0:10:58 GMT
i would also like to say that this topic was posted here because i was not sure where exactly it should be posted
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Post by chaoticjoy1 on Jul 21, 2014 0:29:58 GMT
The main difference between you and I Fish is I applied for this position. It was not just given to me like yours was.
Okay Fish. I will explain this again. Yes. I called myself an admin, you were in an admin sit with me, me... the person administrating the server at the time. I didn't mean I was the rank "Administrator" I meant I WAS administrating, therefore I am the admin.
Secondly, you told me you did not say anything to him, you just kicked him. Make up your mind. Now, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF TALKING TO YOU, was to just let you know, do not kick players when there are admins on, let me handle it. I see admin chat. We need to hear both sides, yours (the witness), and his (the accused) It is only fair. I meant no offense to you, just wanted to get that point across to you, yet you thought I didn't know what I was doing.
What if something else needed done? Something you did not have the power to do? That's why I needed to handle it.
You said I do not know how to talk to people, I have gained many good reports about how I talk to and treat people, and I am in about 30+ admin sits a day. So I know what to do. Not Steven even tried to explain to you my role, but you wouldn't have it, you wouldn't listen.
Ruthy and I have had the same issue happen yesterday. It just needs to be done right, use the !kick tool when nobody with moderating capabilities is on, but under reasonable circumstances of course. We need to hear the side of the accused and the accuser.
When you kicked him, shows you are unwilling to sit and talk to get to the bottom of it, by not giving them the benefit of the doubt. You admitted to not talking to him, it is not how we do things. we need to hear both sides.
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 0:32:25 GMT
i never said you dont know how to talk to people. i also never said that i did not talk to him.
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 0:34:19 GMT
you also just stated that when a mod is on they can take care of it. Not Steven is a trial-mod and yet you were teleporting to everyone telling them what to do and what not to do
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behavioral
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Post by behavioral on Jul 21, 2014 0:41:59 GMT
T-VIP is considered a staff postion.
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kpp0
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 0:45:28 GMT
generally anyone who can kick is considered a staff position it wasnt stated that T-vip is not a staff position
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Post by chaoticjoy1 on Jul 21, 2014 0:49:42 GMT
I applied for the position. You did not apply for yours. I have staff powers, why wouldn't it be considered staff, donating for it is besides the fact.
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 0:51:08 GMT
when did i ever say that T-vip is not a staff position?
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Post by Ruthy on Jul 21, 2014 1:58:53 GMT
With T-vip, you have to even apply before you donate for it. If you get rejected, then you can't get it - the most you can get is supporter+. With that said supporter+ can use their abilities to kick a person who is breaking the rules. But, when the situation is a little larger and needs someone who can deal with it who has banning abilities, they should then leave it to someone of a higher position. I see just a simple misunderstanding, and both you and chaotic were both - right and in the wrong. Next time look at who is on to see if a Mod, Admin, t-vip or supporter+ is on before dealing with the situation - they may be typing out a ban when you kick them for all we know.
With him regarding to himself as a admin - I sometimes use the same term aswell. I just call anyone who is above a donor rank position a admin. So I understand if he sometimes calls himself that.
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 3:38:10 GMT
i am a supporter+ and all i can do is kick. Chaotic was not around at the time so im not sure he even knew what was going on till he saw i kicked someone
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Post by kpp0 on Jul 21, 2014 3:40:02 GMT
also i would like to restate the rule saying that rather than just banning or kicking someone we want to try and talk to them first. Which slightly confuses me because most of everyone ive talked to has mentioned that it may of called for higher punishment
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Post by chaoticjoy1 on Jul 21, 2014 4:00:41 GMT
I saw you kick someone, which is why I brought you to me, to let you know that you need to report it with the "@" chat. That is the end of it.
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